fa face and hair with snow ♪ . >> i don't. i want to wash with spring. we're talking about snow. our panel this morning, we're joined by ted, a congressman republican from texas. a former judge as well. nice to have you, sir. gives us two texans on the panel this morning. will cain and jon fugelsang. we start with george zimmerman who is a free man this morning. walked out of a sanford county jail after he was able to post bond. the location of where he's staying is being kept secret. we start with darryl parks, an attorney for trayvon martin's family. nice to see you, sir. always great to talk to you. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. >> first and foremost, reaction from the family to the release of george zimmerman. how are they feeling about that this morning? >> well, soledad, they have

certainly are still devastated by him being allowed to walk the streets. however, this family respects the wishes of this court and realizes that under florida constitution, he has a right to be released but that doesn't negate the fact that they have mixed feelings about him being released so close to his actual arrest and long journey it took to get him there. >> $15,000 is what we had to pay on $150,000 bond. how are they feeling about that amount? there are a number of people who said in print they thought that sounded low. >> the family has stayed away from that issue. we are trying to be as respectful as we can to this process and the court process. their aspect of this is far emotional because they have lost their son and the journey that it took to get them to the point of having him arrested has been a tough one. it's with a very, very heavy heart they see him walk freely

late last night back into the public. >> mr. parks, will cain. part of this process you described was the bond hearing where george zimmerman took an opportunity to apologize to trayvon's parents. i understand that wasn't well received with them. what was it about that that they did not appreciate? >> we had asked them prior to that we thought it should be a private process and happen at some point in the future. it's clear at a bond hearing that's not a time for you to take the stand and to offer an apology. you put on evidence in a case that's related to the pretrial release of bond conditions of the defendant. they took the opportunity, a very self-serving opportunity to go ahead and offer this apology. when you're in a bond situation, all evidence from the stand should have been directed to the court and it was not. it was rather clear. >> there are details about his release at midnight. he followed another man out. didn't look at any of the controversy.

many of them were surrounding the jail. and then got into a white bmw and drove away. will you and the family members be notified if in fact george zimmerman is leaving the state if he leaves florida and moves to another state while this trial is pending? >> that part is unclear. as you may know, when the court made its pronouncement, all pretrial release conditions are coordinated with the sheriff's office since they're the ones responsible for his release. however, i'm sure that as we go into it, they will notify the victims' advocate with the state attorney with any information that the family needs to know and are entitled to under law. >> it will eventually get to trayvon's parents. we saw in the miami herald's obituary page, a card of thanks and notes from the parents saying they wish to express their heartfelt appreciation for

words of encouragement, peaceful rally support to those who signed petitions, poems, video tributes, monetary gifts to our defense fund and all acts of kindness shown to them during this difficult time. tell me a little bit about this card of thanks and why they decided to put this in the paper now. >> well, soledad, that card is no different from any other newspaper in our country where a family who has lost a loved one where friends have come to the aid to console them during their time of loss. this is customary in america. hopefully everyone sees it as just that. we see this in the paper and obituary section. this is no different. >> will you sum up the case how you think it's going so far. there are critics that say they think the prosecution's case seems weak at this point. would you agree with them? i disagree with them. the situation we were in last friday was a bail situation.

mr. o'mara decided to take a few stabs at the probable cause affidavit and he did so. obviously he was not successful in terms of the hearing because, one, his client is still in custody and, two, bail was set at a level. i think that we need to be clear here, the prosecution did not come to court to try its whole case. i agree wholeheartedly with what the prosecutor said after the hearing. that was not the trial. it wasn't a mini trial. that was a bond hearing. we are very confident as we move forward of the evidence that we are quite aware of is enough to convict him. there's also additional evidence that we're not aware of but we believe we have more than sufficient evidence to convict george zimmerman. >> darryl parks, always nice to see you. thank you for talking to us. appreciate it. another big story we're following this morning is snow. snow. how weird is that? wet, heavy snow falling hard in parts of the northeast. some areas between west virginia and western new york could get up to a foot of snow or more.

other place chas could get soaky four inches of rain and some cities could experience power outages that could last several days. brings us right to brian todd. he's in pennsylvania this morning. dubois, is that right? >> reporter: that's right. this is where the winter wonderland is occurring. you see accumulation around me. the big concern right now, heavy accumulation on the trees. the trees here have almost full foliage on them. you see wet snow on the trees packing and they're worried the trees will start to collapse and bring down power lines. we're told from the statewide power company, they already have about 3,000 power outages in indiana county just west of here and so that's a big concern. it's going to be a concern throughout the day. this is very heavy wet snow as i climb out of the ditch there. we'll go across the railroad tracks. our photo journalist is going to

follow me. the question is when is it going to start accumulating on the roads. as you can see here, we're on a highway near interstate 80. not accumulating on roads yet. there are snowplows and trucks that have gone past here this morning getting ready to plow the roads. interestingly for those snowplows, they've had to reattach plows and spreaders because they took those off the trucks for spring not anticipating weather like this. they are trying to get out ahead of this as fast as they can. one emergency management official here told me that a big concern here in clearfield county and nearby center county where the snow is starting to accumulate is that they will get all sorts of calls for emergencies. they are worried about home fires. many have home burning fireplaces and stoves and cold furnaces they'll fire up in this weather and if they get problems with that or fires, they'll have to deploy emergency management

people and fire teams and they don't have many in rural areas like that. they are afraid they may get overloaded with calls and have to call someone in the neighboring county and that county will have trouble sending people over because they are heavily deployed. that's going to be some of the things we'll be looking for in the next few hours as this snow starts to accumulate. >> all right, brian todd for us this morning. such a beautiful shot. it looks so pretty. i have done many of those snow shots. they are so miserable. no hat on. freezing. it looks great. let's get to meteorologist rob marciano. see where the storm is headed now. i know you have done a few of those yourself, mister. >> not many in late april. that's what is certainly unusual. even more -- it's not unprecedented but unusual. what is kind of really weird is that the last time we had a big snowstorm across the east coast was back in october. back when the trees had leaves because it was still fall. this has been a crazy winter in that regard. center of the low is over new york where it is dry and will continue to be dry. this will move up toward the north and west. but the damage already done in

some spots across parts of upstate new york and through the finger lakes. temperatures hovering around the freezing mark. notice buffalo and pittsburgh are above freezing. they're not going to see the accumulation but what we have seen so far, newfield, new york, ten inches of snow. ridgebury, eight inches of snow. locke, new york, seven inches of know. more accumulation is expected across western pennsylvania and cold air will work in from canada. 8 to 16 inches potentially in some spots especially across the higher elevations. brian todd mentioned the fall foliaa foliage. winds gusting to 40 miles an hour creating problems not only in snow zone but across major metropolitan airports with delays at philadelphia, 55 minutes. laguardia will chime in as well. >> does that mean my daffodils are done? >> it's mild in new york city.

temperatures cooling down only into the 40s. you're fine. >> thank you. let's get to zoraida. >> you are safe in new york city. >> zoraida has the rest of the headlines for us. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. iran says it cracked the codes on a u.s. spy drone it captured last year and officials in tehran are leaking the alleged details. iran long bragged about capturing the drone. the pentagon doubted iran's military would be able to decode it but iran says it has. it also claims that data from that drone shows it's the same one that flew over osama bin laden's hideout in pakistan two weeks before he was killed. french president nicolas sarkozy finding himself in a fight for his political life this morning after finishing second in the country's presidential election on sunday. socialist candidate came in first. he defeated sarkozy by just over one percentage point. they'll face each other in a runoff election on may 6th. students and teachers return

to class in oakland this morning three weeks after a gunman opened fire on campus and killed seven people there. 43-year-old has been charged with seven counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder. he's due back in court next week to enter a plea. rocker ted nugent's controversial comments are starting to cost him. commanders at the u.s. army base in ft. knox, kentucky, have canceled his upcoming performance citing nugent's remarks at nra convention that he would be dead or in jail if president obama was re-elected. the guitarist explained his comments during a meeting with the secret service last week. consequences, soledad. >> all of the explanation in the world won't fix that one. thank you. still ahead on "starting point," sex, money, power and a sick wife at home. the criminal trial of john edwards begins today. we'll tell you what to expect and who is going to testify. and in our get real. it was a world of hurt.

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this morning we're talking about sex and politics, money and betrayal. it is in fact the basis for the federal criminal case against former presidential candidate john edwards which starts today in a north carolina courtroom. edwards is accused of accepting nearly 1 milli$1 million in ill campaign contributions during his bid for the presidential nomination. prosecutors say he used that to

hide the extramarital affair. edward's defense will argue that was siphoned off by his aide to help young build an expansive dream home. edwards faces up to 30 years in prison if convicted. let's get to a criminal defense attorney. nice to have you. how he has fallen from running for the presidency of the united states to keeping himself out of it prison. he was offered a deal which he decided not to take in this case. >> that speaks volumes to the hurdles prosecution has in this case. they offered john edwards a deal of serving three months in jail. >> he would keep his law license. >> that to me says the prosecution understands and realize ths they have an uphillt until this case. john edwards doesn't win popularity contests for sure, this prosecution and these charges are clearly expanding the scope of the definition of campaign contributions. >> let's talk about that.

is election finance law clear cut or is there a lot of wiggle room? it sounds like so much wiggle room they bring these charges. >> enormous amount of wiggle room. it's so vague. here's one of the key questions. were these funds being earmarked for the campaign? were they meant to influence the election? the answer the defense is clearly not. they were not used for the election. if the donors were going to give this money regardless because they were personal friends of his and they didn't want this extramarital affair to come out, that's not a violation. >> could not both sides say that concealing the mistress was an attempt to win an election? >> of course. concealing a mistress is an attempt to keep your reputation intact. that does not make it a donation for campaign finance. that would then -- any time

someone did something for john edwards that sort of enhanced his reputation or helped him prevented his relationship from being damaged would be a chip that would go into campaign finance kitty. that's not the law. this is dangerous. if this prosecution win this is case and they could because of who john edwards is, this will send a message that will reverbrate through potential candidates going forward. it muddies the water of what is campaign finance and what is not. >> the lawyers have said the indictment of mr. edwards amounts to prosecutorial v vindictivene vindictiveness. they pointed to someone seeking the seat for north carolina which is what john edwards was sitting u.s. senator before all of this drama unfolded in his life.

how do you think this is going to end? is this going to go through the entire courtroom process and end up with all of this information being revealed which i'm sure all parties, certainly edwards, has no interest in, or will they come to a different deal that's not on the table originally. >> anything could happen during a trial. things happen. witnesses take the stand. they're not what perhaps the prosecution thinks they're going to be after they testify and maybe they revamp their deal. i know john's lawyers and they certainly are on top of their game. >> he's had a million. >> the team he has in place is on top of their game and the laws here are very unclear and when you talk to a jury about proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in this case there's plenty of reasonable doubt. >> simple question for you. what is john edwards -- i know this sounds like we're going back five steps here. what is he specifically charged with? receiving over his limit of campaign contributions from a single donor? >> that and also making false statements to the government about it. he has to file certain documents. >> on the first charge, receiving over his limits of campaign funding from a single

donor is different now, right? this happened in 2008. he's being prosecuted for a law that's no longer enforced? >> it was in place at the time of his candidacy and that's really what counts. it's a federal offense at the time and again he's filed documents that the government is claiming were false because he didn't include these contributions although the donors are saying or were saying at the time these were not campaign contributions. these were personal payments that we made. >> of course the campaign finance law in the filing is just as complicated as irs code. people disagree on what it means. these were not public funds. this is not taxpayer money we're talking about. it's private funds. isn't the issue whether it was a contribution for the campaign? isn't that the main issue whether it was for some other purpose or as a campaign contribution? >> absolutely. >> don't know but you have to look at circumstances.

these are people who knew them. if they made donations to him so to speak regardless of the campaign to cover up his extramarital campaign, that's not a campaign contribution. and don't forget the defense has two experts. if the judge allows them to testify in this case, it's game over for defense. i think they get an acquittal full blown. two former members of the campaign finance committee who will say that this is not a violation of a campaign finance laws. >> he's really, really, really wealthy. you have to ask yourself for $900,000, which is tons of money to all of us but for him not that much money, wasn't part of that going to intent which is you need another source of funding because you got to get it around your wife because you don't want people to know about the girlfriend. isn't that going to be proof in a way for him? >> i guess part of it is he didn't necessarily need the money to subsidize this but then what account would that come out of that would have raised sort of bells and whistles. >> you are talking politics.

i'm talking affair. >> all right. appreciate it. still ahead this morning on "starting point," it's a bird, it's a plane. no. it's actually a really, really loud meteor shower. we'll show you that straight ahead. no chance for world peace as the player formally known as ron artest revisits his brawling days. that's his victim on the ground. we have details in get real next. and this is will's playlist. "redneck mother." that's a terrible name.

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♪ they didn't get too far >> toby keith. "beer for my horses." >> our get real this morning, who could forget this moment. take a look back if you will. 2004 ron artest playing for the indiana pacers runs into the stands and starts brawling. remember this? look at that. he just runs into the stands. people are, like, my god, go get him. he starts having a fistfight with fans. it was called malice in the palace and was suspended for 86 games. fast forward to september 2011. artest decided to give up brawling ways and changed his name to world peace. who knew that would be so painful. he now plays for the lakers.

he was ejected from yesterday's game for decking oklahoma city's james harden with a nasty elbow. that looked seriously painful. dropped to the court and stayed down for a minute. world peace was tossed for a fragrant foul and the league is reviewing the blow. do you call it mr. peace? he apologized. he said he was celebrating after a dunk. he says that was not intentional. take a look. >> he had no idea his body was brushed up against him. >> last year he won the citizenship award. i don't know what it proves. it proves something. it proves that he should get read about focusing on his name. >> we remember when charles manson changed his name but it didn't change anything. we've seen in the nba that players can be redeemed and we've seen it happen can kobe

and i hope it happens again with ron artest. >> it hasn't happened yet. >> i don't know. accidental? >> no. not accidental. still ahead this morning, a stain that could be blood. will it lead to a break in the case of etan patz? all of that information overload could make us dumber. how do you deal with it? it's explored in a new book. the author will be with us live. you're watching "starting point." we're back in just a moment. it's big. no,i mean in terms of savings how would you sum it up? big in your own words, with respect to selection, what would you say? big okay, let's talk rebates mike, they're big they're big get $100 rebate, plus the low price tire guarantee during the big tire event. so, in other words, we can agree that ford's tire event is a good size? big big

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fbi lab in quantico. lisa cohen is back with us. author of a book in 2009 called "after etan." they removed and cut out this stain of interest. it looks like better technology has allowed them to focus on this stain. update me on what's happened here. >> i just know that they spent the last four days looking and they haven't had the moment where they found actual remains to this point. i think they are probably almost done. but now what they're going to do is take away everything they found. there's a whole other level of an investigation that will go on over the next several weeks and months. it was four months before in 2000 when nypd dug up the prime suspect to that point, jose ramos, short of skeletal remains, now there's a whole

other step. >> there's so much more technology, right? now you can find fibers and you can look at hair samples. all those things that were removed from the floor that was dug up now and is being -- they did a grid system removing it in pieces. why would that not have been removed 30 some years ago because mr. miller was interviewed years ago. >> i don't know. the way it's characterized to this point is it would cost too much money for nypd to do it. i don't know that's the way it worked. my understanding was it was an offhanded remark. you're welcome to dig up the basement as long as someone pays for it. we didn't do it because we weren't going to spend the money. >> attention moved away 30 years ago to focus on jose ramos as you mentioned, the last couple of years apparently they started to look again at mr. miller. he somehow in their terms skyrocketed to the top of the

list. in the course of one of these interviews he says what if the body was moved. he blurted that out. how did that statement lead them to this new basement. >> it's his basement. >> that's where he had the workshop. i would say the reports that day before he got a dollar from miller. he knew othneil he had been a pal of his for a while. not like it was one singular moment that should tapped everyone off that this scary guy was zeroing in on him. they knew the family. they were friendly. he would help them out often around odd jobs. othneil did work in that building in the patz's building. >> why wasn't more attention on miller the past decades and statement what if the body was moved, made their heads go how about this guy? >> i only know that there were hundreds of people that the patz's knew there were neighbors

and friends that one sentence someone said would cause attention to be at them for days or weeks on end. someone took etan away for a weekend camping, would be the attention or the neighbor that drove him to school when there was a bus strike go on and he was focussed on for a while. >> there are doubts about jose ramos. a child molester who is serving 20 years in prison and is due to get out of prison soon. they said his m.o. was small children was to work a lot to gain their trust. and that in fact there's not a lot of evidence that he and etan had a lot of interaction that goes against his m.o. even though the family was able to win a judgment against him. >> i mean it would be hard to put yourself in the mind of jose ramos to say what turned him on and what didn't turn him on and how he did his work. i know he did groom children

over periods of time. i also know that he was somebody who he knew the baby sitter. she wasn't really a baby sitter. someone that walked etan home from school after school bus ride. he knew the baby sitter. there was speculation he was meeting the baby sitter on the way home sometimes. he may have known etan beforehand and etan may have known him. >> it must be hard to think if we're going through every moment with a fine-toothed comb, you have to imagine for parents that live that, brutal. brutal. we appreciate that updating us on this. we have to get to headlines. zoraida has a look at those. >> good morning. opening statements begin today in the trial for the man accused of killing jennifer hudson's family. the singer is expected to testify against the defendant, william balfour. the estranged husband of hudson's sister. balfour has pleaded not guilty.

that trial is expected to last up to four weeks. a new round of threats from north korea against the south. the statement from north korea's military warns it will soon launch unspecified special actions to reduce south korea's government and media companies to ashes in less than four minutes. the threat comes on the heels of north korea's failed rocket launch. the u.n. condemned pyongyang for the launch of a long-range missile that exploded just moments after liftoff. a lower open this morning. dow futures are down 121 points partly because of a new report showing economic growth slowing in china. growing concerns about the economies of some european countries especially spain. here at home, a new report showing some businesses are booming. the top ten fastest growing industries were tracked. some are unexpected including self-tanning products, pilates and yoga studios, hot sauce, 3-d

printers and online eyeglasses and contact lenses. also doing well, generic pharmaceuticals, solar panels, social networking games and green and sustainable construction and for-profit universities. desperate times call for desperate measures. bennett was having no luck finding a job. the laid off casino worker gambled on a $300 electronic billboard next to a highway in minneapolis. >> i was just trying to think of ideas to set myself apart from other people and to get myself out there and maybe try to capture the attention of somebody. >> so no job offers yet but a vice president of a laser tech company e-mailed bennett that he wants to talk to him. a meteor shower that you could see and you could hear. people from northern california to nevada reported hearing a loud boom yesterday morning.

the sound occurred at the same time as a meteor shower that happens every year on the same day. >> it was enough to shock me into what was that? >> i heard a big boom. sounded like my daughter fell out of bed. >> kind of felt it. almost felt something. >> the meteorite was probably about the size of a washing machine when it hit the earth's atmosphere. still ahead, suffering from information overload. the author of a new book tells us how to process your facebook updates, e-mails and tweets. a 6-year-old girl vanishes from her bedroom and hasn't been seen since. this morning the search is growing frantic. the chief of police leading the investigation is going to join us up next. you're watching starting point. we'll take a short break and see you on the other side.

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>> that's "information overload" from "in living color." if you are feeling information overload, the author of a new book has a book about information and how we got to this point called "the information, a history, a theory, a flood." we all feel the flood part of it. when i was younger, my dad bought me a book called "chaos." my dad was an expert in chaos theory. i was excited to see "the informati information." you start with 1948. a semiconductor is invented, discovered, you say this is the first time that the reality surpassed the hype. why was that such an important moment? >> that was the year when

information theory was born. when i was working on that book about "chaos" all those years ago, i remember hearing a bunch of scientists studying some physical system talking about information theory and i thought, first of all, there's a theory of this stuff, information, isn't information gossip, news, it's abstract. not only did they talk about this mathematical frame work of information theory, they used it to analyze chaos in a physical system. to understand order and disorder in that system. so i filed that away. >> you knew you were onto something. today you end with the flood as you sort of literally walk your way through the history of how we got information from bits to african drums sending information. to me to some degree it feels like false information as as much weight as true information. is that just a modern day occurrence or is that the arc as

information goes? >> this is the predicament we find ourselves in. all of this is accelerating. i spent seven years working on this book. when i started working on the book, there was no twitter. i don't think wikipedia existed. now we're inundated. you have expressed the essential problem. we're overwhelmed with information. we feel we have too much of this thing that we value more than anything. and yet we realize that maybe we're not necessarily any smarter. maybe we're having trouble finding the knowledge hidden in the information. maybe it's harder than ever to distinguish the true from false. >> have you seen the movie "philadelphia." remember that part where denzel washington says explain it to me like i'm a 2 year old. what is information theory. >> information theory is the mathematical frame work that

allows scientists to understand information as that a thing that a scientist can deal with just the way that energy is a specific concrete thing that the world is made of. until science got to the point of being able to treat energy as something they could measure, they couldn't build engines. well information is -- we know that information is practically everything in our world. we're creating it now and sending it out over the airwaves. we store it in books and cds. the computer on soledad's desk is processing information at very high speed. but all of this stuff is of a species. it's measured in a unit of measure. we know what it is. it's the bit. information theory is the theory that created the term bit as a fundamental unit of measure for this stuff of which our world is made. >> does a bit matter if you can't get the information out because none of this information if it's not correlated with meaning, why do we care about

it? more info doesn't help you. more blogging, more tweeting, more facebook updates -- >> what's the point am measuring it? >> if it's not connected to some value, all you feel is overwhelmed at the end. >> that's true. and then in the end i think we begin to find our way. i end up being optimistic. it's true that it's a sort of paradox. a paradox i had to wrestle with in writing this book. for engineers to treat information as a scientific thing, they had to treat it apart from meaning say this spring of bits we're dealing with might be true or false, i don't care. we're sending it through the wires. all we care about though is meaning. that's why these great enterprises have popped up in our world. wikipedia, google, yahoo! even twitter with its how many million messages a day. >> a lot. >> you know that they are mostly rubbish and you know that -- >> except for mine. >> except for yours and except

for mine. >> honestly even a few of mine are rubbish. and yet we use twitter to help us find our way. >> interesting. "information history, a theory a flood." i love this book and i loved "chaos" as well. so glad to talk to you. my dad is at home watching. yea. still ahead on "starting point," snow is pounding the northeast right now. delays, power outages are expected across several states. we'll tell what you to expect and where. and then we'll tell you the story of a 6-year-old girl who has vanished from her bedroom. does a reported window that's open provide a much needed clue? we'll talk to the police chief leading the investigation. that's up next. you're watching "starting point." we're taking a short break. we'll be back in a moment. ♪

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republican from the great state of texas, ted poe is joining us. john fugelsang is bus. >> that means rabies? who is that? >> very limited. rabies isn't part of it. >> pit bull. >> i love pit bull. i don't know. we are going to look that up. will cain is a columnist no the blaze.com. he joins us as well this morning. george zimmerman is out of jail. man accused of murdering trayvon martin and released overnight walking out of that sanford, florida, jail to destinations unknown because his location is being kept a secret and all out of concern for his safety.

zimmerman has to wear a gps tracking bracelet and check with authorities every three days and a court ordered curfew. he issued a direct jooi to tapo trayvon martin's parents. martin savidge is live in sanford, florida. update on what is happening now. >> reporter: george zimmerman left in the middle of the night as you pointed out. the question became security. especially for his defense and for his family. that's been the primary concern. so we thought it might take a little more time but, apparently, they were able to organize and come up with a bond, $15,000, 10% of the $150,000. then it was where will he go and how will he get there? that was answered shortly after midnight last night when he left outside of the bonding area here and came out not with his attorney but with some other unidentified individual wearing a coat. part of that appears because it

was chilly but the other part is covering up what he was wearing underneath which is believed to have been some bullet-proof vest, body armor. gets into the white vehicle and then disappeared. supposedly does not disappear, though, from authorities. he is wearing that tracking device and all of this had to be worked out carefully with the seminole county sheriff's office how they would be able to maintain sort of that tether with him. and he will have to report in at least every three days on top of the telemetry that is coming in every few minutes. >> what is going to happen in terms of the court case? i mean, if he is out of the state, which, of course, is unclear would he have to be driven in? is that something that happens consistently or something that doesn't happen for a little while. >> reporter:. >> reporter: if he going appear at the arraignment which is scheduled for next month. it's not certain that he will. it isn't necessarily required that he has to. so if that's the case, it could be that we will not see george zimmerman, at least in any kind of legal proceedings, for some time, unless something

unexpected comes up. we do not know. at this particular point he could be gone for a while. his attorney says it's not essential i see him for building a defense in this particular case. he could be out of state, he could be down the road. right now, we don't know. >> i'm sure they are not going to tell us if they want to keep him safe. thank martin. >> kelly bordeaux disappeared week ago. nicholas hobert works at the bar she was last seen and he said he gave her a ride home the night she went missing. hobert has turned himself in as unrelated charge for failing to register as a sex offender. he says he has nothing to do with the woman's disappearance. listen. you can't listen because his lips are moving but what he says, even though he had to report for not registering as a

sex offender for an incident that happened when he was 16, he said that he had nothing to do with her disappearance. also said that he actually dropped her off about a quarter mile away from her home. she wanted to get out and walk the rest of the way home. he is not being named as a person of interest in this case. kelly's brother and sister, matt henson and olivia cox are in fayetteville and they join us. nice to talk to us and appreciate both of you joining us. thank you for being with us. what are you hearing from authorities about what is happening in this case? do you feel like they are keeping you very much updated on what they are learning and what they know and i guess don't know? olivia, why don't you start for me. >> you know, authorities say they are getting tips, they are following every lead that they get. they are trying to make sure that everything is meticulously combed through and nothing is unseen. >> how about any sort of feedback on what those tips are giving? i know, for example, matt, that there was a tip about a pond and

that pond has now been searched and no indication that, in fact, anything came out of that. tell me a little bit more about that, if you know. >> yes, ma'am. they searched the pond twice, actually, and they didn't find anything, so actually we look at it as a good thing. obviously. so, yeah, they are -- there's a lot of different leads, so they are just trying to make sure that they cover everything. >> they are being responsive to -- >> yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. >> that's good news. i know -- is married. her husband apparently was visiting his dad and has he been cleared in this investigation? >> he has. >> okay. good news there as well. tell me a little bit about your sister. i know that she -- we have been showing some pictures of her. she is a very petite woman, probably about 5'1".

tell me a little bit about her personality. would it be unusual for her to go missing? would it be unusual for her not to reach out and call you guys and just check in? >> right. that's like -- you know, at first people -- you know, people talk about awol soldier but you don't go awol from your family. we're very close-knit. that's not something, you know, that is even a possibility really. especially not knowing anything, you know? >> olivia, you agree she would be checking in with you all the time because you guys are close? >> oh, yeah. i text her nearly every day at some point joking and just carrying on with my baby sister. everything is upbeat and everything is positive. she 4 big goals and big plans. >> everything was pointing up in her life. she was wanting to excel and really, you know -- >> make her life successful and live it to the fullest. >> let's talk for a minute if we can about nicholas holbert who

says he drove kelli a quarter mile short is what he is saying to home. he has gone in for report to authorities because i guess he failed to register as a sex offender when he moved to his new address. has your sister ever mentioned him or talked about him in any way, shape, or form? he describes them as friends. and that they were friendly and met at the bar where he worked. >> kelli has that way about her. everybody would consider her a friend. anyone who meets her would consider her a friend. she is a jubilant, happy person. you want to be friends with her as soon as you see her walking into a room. i can understand him saying that. we don't know him. she's never mentioned him prior and we have contact every day but, i mean, kelly is a responsible person and would not go off with him or anything like that. >> if she doesn't know his background, no way she -- obviously, she wouldn't have taken a ride from him.

>> okay. well, i know that the search is continuing and that you guys are hoping to hear some good words soon. we wish you the best of luck in this case and we will watch it closely. thanks for talking with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. we are not going to give up. thank you so much. >> i know you're not. thanks. appreciate it. you can expect in other news a massive mess in the northeast today. snow is falling. pretty hard already in some areas. the wintry weather is expected to affect states from new york all the way down to west virginia. let's get right to brian todd who is live in pennsylvania this morning. a beautiful scene but a mess behind you. good morning, brian. >> reporter: good morning. we just talked to a state troop from the sandy township area and he stopped by here a second ago and told us really not any major problems on the roads yet but they are worries about it. you got interstate 80 behind us. you can see a lot of truck traffic coming through here. this is a major artery for truck routes going east-to-west and

vice versa. the pennsylvania turnpike is a couple of hours south here and a lot of truck traffic but not sticking to the roads yet. the temperatures have hovered around 33 degrees, maybe closer to freezing, but not there yet to stick to the roads. so that's one thing we are going to be worried about. what they are worried about is downed trees and downed powers lines. i was told a short time ago by a emergency management official here there was a downed tree this morning just east of here. they have cleared that but the problem is going to be all of the foliage on these trees here. our photo journalist ka leeb will pan here and somehow the foliage that has come out. we are one week away from the beginning of may, believe it or not, as you look around here. the heavy snow on the trees is going to be a problem and that is going to pack snow on these trees and weigh them down. the trees will collapse onto power lines and some 3,000 power outages west of here in indiana county, pennsylvania. they are dealing with that.

we have seen a lot of electric trucks go by already starting to address some of this. >> what a mess. brian todd for us this morning, thank you. let's get to meteorologist rob marciano for a look where it's going. >> good morning. some places have gotten 10 inches of snow. take a look at the totals. ridgebury 8 inches and lock de, new york, 7 inches. it's a huge storm encompassing a wide range of real estate back side where brian is very cold enough, right? hovering at the freezing mark. because it's right there, you know, falling wet snow and the ground is still warm but as brian pointed out, the trees with all of the leaves is going to create a problem. pittsburgh, you're still raining and probably change to snow later on. probably a couple of inches of snow there. same deal for buffalo. buffalo, for the year, their biggest snowfall has only been 6.4 inches. if they get more than that this will be the biggest snowfall of the season. right now, they are in the process of changing from rain to

snow. 4 to 10 outside of pittsburgh expected and 5 to 10 southeast of pittsburgh and as much as a foot in some spots. the other thing is the wind gusts could be 30 to 40-mile-per-hour winds tonight into tomorrow so that will just wave the tree-loaded snow loaded trees around even more. 57 in boston. 53 in new york city. you'll be a little bit drier. breezy but those winds will also create some problems at the bigger airports. >> i was going to say. that's going to be a hot mess. snow and high winds. you will be sitting on the tarmac for a long time! >> exactly. >> thanks, rob. still ahead this morning, shocking footage of a worker appeared to be tases over and over again by border patrol agents then then he dies. the journalist who uncovered the story will join us up next. a 9-year-old boy takes on a shark and the boy wins. he has the incredible footage to prove it.

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man taser. he died soon afternoon. the investigative fund of the nation institute, take a listen. >> you can see hernandez rojas on the ground surrounded by more than a dozen officers. pay attention to the officers extended arm. you can clearly see the sparking of his taser as he fires two wires carrying more than a thousand volts of electricity into hernandez rojas. >> oh, my god. >> a coroner in his report said there were traces of methamphetamine in his system and he died of a heart attack

and they say unclear what brought that pop u.s. attorney and border protection offices say they have no comment on this story the woman who shod that video was ashley young and john carlos fry has been covering the case since the very beginning. ashley, let's begin with you. walk me through back to 2010 what happened that you came upon the scene. >> good morning. i was coming back from having dinner in tijuana and i was walking across the pedestrian overpass that leads back into the united states, and i heard a man screaming. [ speaking in foreign language ] which means help me in spanish. it wasn't necessarily his words that kind of took me by surprise. it was the way he was saying it. and it was very -- it was a very desperate cry for help. i walked over to the end of the pedestrian walkway and i saw him in this kind of triangle park

area, which i later learned is a kind of a detention area, release area for people getting deported back to mexico. i saw kind of two border patrol agent on top of him. he was hand tough and his pants were to his knees and seemed as if his feet were also bound at the time. over the course of 25 minutes it escalated and several more officers showed up. i witnessed annesteo tased five times. >> tell it me about hernandez rojas. who was he? >> he was an undocumented immigrant from mex coico and ca to the united states when he was 16 and lived in the united states over 25 years and held a construction job for all of those years. he was found to be undocumented and was in the process of being

deported when this incident happened. >> i want to play a little clip from the documentary and you're narrating so let's have folks listen and i'll ask awe question on the other end. >> reporter: you can see hernandez rojas on the ground surrounded by more than a dozen officers. pay attention to the officer's extended arm. can you clearly see the sparking of his taser as he fires two wires carrying more than a thousand volts of electricity into hernandez rojas. >> oh, guy modern. >> john, what was the story that you felt wasn't getting out that you wanted to tell by showing this videotape? >> just a quick correction. that is actually john larson, the correspondent. >> my apologies. >> no problem. what i wanted -- what i wanted was actually for this to be exposed. this case has been buried. this happened two years ago and the press release from the border patrol and from the san diego police department is basically that this man was combative. taser was applied to subdue him,

he fell to the ground and had a heart attack and died. in the videotape we clearly see that is not the case. there was never mention of how many officers were involved and never a mention in police documents than this man was beaten. he had five broken ribs and severed spine. he was bruised all over his body. this beating took place over the period of about half an hour. he was handcuffed and he was also tied around his ankles as ashley says. this is information that is all new. >> let me play a clip where the border patrol agents are telling him to stop resisting. ashley, on the other side, i'll ask you a question. let's play that, guys. >> okay. >> so, john has said this is important because the resisting part of the story could be critical if any case were ever brought forward. ashley, did you see him as you watched this transpire for roughly 30 minutes, did you see him resisting in any way?

>> no. he wasn't resisting. the only thing that they could potentially make a case for is that his body was convulsing as his body was being tased but he wasn't resisting. >> john, why do you think this is quit resisting, quit resisting that we are seeing om ka rah? >> this is a very public area. it was dark. people were gathering and they were trying to get a look at what was happening. i think the officer yelling quit resisting was more for the crowd to let them know that they were actually in the middle of some sort of a melee. it's very clear on the videotape as the officer is yelling "quit resisting," there is a man lying on the ground with over a dozen officers standing around him. there's no way, at least by the videotape, that the man is in any way, shape, or form resisting. >> john fry and ashley, thanks for being with us and appreciate you, ashley young, sharing that videotape with us. it is really disturbing and

interesting to watch if this case is brought more for the forefront. appreciate your time. thank you. >> we were talking earlier about cases like this. it's, obviously, hard to see on the videotape but as you zoom in you see someone bound at the hands and ankles literally to the point they are saying saying quit resisting. >> the question it happened two years ago and there was an investigation and, still, we don't have the written report as to the total findings. the justice department and border patrol is not releasing the information they gathered under the pretext other than it's an ongoing investigation. it's not closes and use that phrase for keep releasing incident about the incident. >> the medical examiner did rule this a homicide and mr. hernandez rojas had no criminal record. >> although he did have methamphetamine in his system. >> that does affect people when they are being tased. there is examples of that it affects them because they are under -- if he was under the influence of methamphetamine. >> interesting to see if this case continues to be under investigation and no one

continues to look into it or if it is resolved at some point. still ahead, she might be the worst prom queen since "carrie." a texas prom queen arrested. she accidentally called herself something else this morning. she is accused of a pretty terrible scam. we will tell you what this young lady did. no fish story. 9-year-old boy catches a shark from his kayak. we got the video to prove it. if you're headed to work, watch our show at cbs news/startingpoint. see you on the other side of the commercial. [ tires squeal, engine revs ] ♪ ♪ ♪

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i love that music. shark point has struck again. take a look. >> all right, shark boy. keep him up, keep him up. do what? there he is! >> they are taking pictures of him and saying bringing it on. he is 9-year-old old. he and his dad kevin were out fishing in their kayak in the beach off galveston, texas. when hunter hooked into a black tip shark. the first of the season. he caught a bigger ones i guess on past trips. hunter says -- hunter says. see the one got away, apparently. that is pretty cool. i would be terrifieterrified. if i were hunter's mom, no going out in the kayak to catch a shark! >> kayak like an old man in the sea. >> he is going for a shark.

he is not going for red fish or flounder. he is purposely fishing for shark. >> like a 9-year-old from "jaws." >> a little disturbing. bigger boat. still ahead, chances you've had a brain freeze. apparently, scientists are beginning to figure out what causes that. plus, we will talk about drones over america. the faa is opening up the skies to thousands of spy drones. universities apparently want them and small towns want them. even just people who are interested to just get one. we will talk to a lawmaker who says he has got some serious privacy concerns. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future.

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♪ i am the eye in the sky looking at you i can read your mind ♪ >> good choice, congressman. that is "eye in the sky" by the alan parsons project. the other congressman will join us in a few minutes. a new clue in the case of etan patz. they are trying to solve the

33-year-old mystery. the 6-year-old boy van issued in 1979. over the weekend investigators discovered a stain that they say could be blood that is being tested right now at an fbi lab. let's get to cnn's deb feyerick who is live in lower manhattan. >> reporter: a little bit of excitement this morning when police came to remove one of the big concrete slabs that had been removed from the basement apartment were put into. i spoke to a source familiar with the investigation who says it's really not the concrete slabs that they are interested so much as what is underneath. as a matter of fact, official digging down four to six feet to see if they can find any sort of remains of the 6-year-old boy who disappeared within a block and a half of his home. it was the first time he had been walking to the school bus and he never made it onto that bus. new leads developed over the weekend. forensic experts tested some of the walls with a chemical that

picks up organic material and did test positive for what could be the presence of blood on a concrete slab. you mention thad slab was removed. it's being taken to the lab. investigators are closed lip about the entire investigation. i don't think they don't want to get anyone's hopes up so they will not saying whether they found any remains what the stats of the dig is. a huge excavation. 800 square feet. tore up the floor and looking to see if they can find anything. you have to keep in mind that here in this very sort of chic area of downtown manhattan soho, the father and the apartment the little boy lived is about a hundred yards away from the basement apartment that is now being searched. so it's very small this whole area. but clearly it could be significant. and investigators think that this is the lead that they have

been waiting for. soledad? >> even though they live in the same neighborhood, that neighborhood has changed so much in that 33 years. soho used to be a lot of abandoned buildings and kind of really a down trod in some parts of that wooster. i used to live there in the '90s when it was turning around and coming back and a big difference from when this little boy disappeared. we have other headlines to get to. this just in. rudy is now on board. former new york city city rudy giuliani is the latest to endorse mitt romney. giuliani made it official this morning on fox news. a couple of months ago, giuliani did say romney, quote, changed his position on virtually everything. search and rescue teams in tucson, arizona, are now on the hunt for missing 6-year-old isabel mercedes celis and believe she may have been

abducted. they last saw her in her bed friday night and woke up saturday and she was gone. search crews and helicopters are combing that area. dogs are searching the home. tucson police chief joined us earlier. he says investigators found, quote, suspicious circumstances in isabel's bedroom. >> we have a window that was opened and a screen removed. we are labeling it as suspicious circumstances and possible abduction mainly so that we keep all possibilities open. we don't want to focus on one path and be open to all leads that come in. >> if you have any information in the disappearance of isabel, call the number on your screen. john edwards criminal trial begins today. he is trying to avoid spending 30 years in prison. a sentence edwards faces for allegedly misusing money from his 2008 presidential campaign and accused of accepting nearly $1 million in illegal campaign

contributesions. prosecutors say he used that money to pay the expenses of his mistress rielle hunter and hide their extramarital affair from voters. edwards said he didn't believe he was doing anything illegal. he could also be fined $1.5 million if he is convicted. police arresting a texas prom queen for allegedly faking cancer and scamming people out of $17,000. according to el paso times, angie gomez, 19-year-olds, told her family friends and fiance she had six months to live in 2011 after battling leukemia since childhood. she set up her own charity foundation called "achieve the dream." she claimed the illness forced her it to miss her senior prom so the high school held another one just to her. someone called police complaining she didn't seem to be sick. she was put in jail with bond set at $50,000. this one is for you, soledad. scientists have finally figured out the cause of sphenopaliton

known as brain freeze. you probably have experienced it brought on by cold drinks or ice cream. researchers said it is increased in blood flow in an artery going to the brain. it is to keep the brain from getting too cold. i think you would be able to figure that one out. >> it worries we are spending a lot of-of-a lot of scientific money on that research. like don't eat ice cream fast. >> it may help with migraines. >> oh, yeah, okay. then i support it! >> i do too! >> i was against it. i was for it and now i'm for it. >> that money has proved brain freeze is caused by putting cold things in your head? >> that's right, dr. fugelsang! when people think about these high tech unmanned drones, usually we are talking about the military to spy on enemies overseas or carry out attacks.

faa just released a list of more than 50 diagram institutions across the country that have applied for their own private drone programs and it includes small towns, universities too. the list has some lawmakers worried about privacy. this week, congressman ed mark ey wrote this. the agency hat opportunity and the responsibility to ensure that the privacy of individuals is protected and that the public is fully informed about who is using drones in public airspace and why. democratic congressman edward markey of massachusetts joins us this morning. tell us what your concern is and what you know about the drone program so far. >> well, what we know is that the faa has already begun the licensing of drones for police agencies for some other public institutions but saying they could license upwards of 30,000

drones, public and private, that is commercial as well, in the united states by the year 2020 and within eight years, we could have 30,000 of these drones gathering information about americans lying over the heads of the american people and that is something, to me, which i think we should have a big public debate about in terms of how much data is collected and who is collecting the data and how long can they keep this data, are there any privacy protections whatsoever that the fa is imposing upon private sector companies gathering information about americans from the sky. >> so we know that some of the information they are gathering for example at utah state, they are interesting in water and agricultural research. kansas state wants to study plant productivity. and so when you look at it that way, you think what a smart idea, a drone could fly over the crops and actually, you know, save resources for the school and do something pretty efficiently. i'm certain that's not what you're worried about, right?

>> no. there was a dekenzie quality to these technologies. they are the best of technologies and worst of technologies simultaneously. yes, they can provide tremendous public service to our country and he just listed some of those things but it also has the potential to invade the privacy of americans to degrade and to debase americans. so we have to basically deal with the fact that the technologies only are as good as the human values which we instill within them and we must have a debate about it, because some of these drones are only going to be the size of humming birds which can just perch themselves on top of buildings, top of homes and begin to gather information about ordinary americans and it would be the private sector, not the public sector, that would be doing it. >> how is it different than, say, a security camera or the big cameras they put on the things they roll. i've seen them in major cities

for parades and things like that except the fact they are mobile and you could fly them around. >> well, the difference is that they could be the something the size of the palm of your hand floating over your home looking at what is going on in your backyard as you walk around your neighborhood or a store which is gathering information about you for the purposes of just remarketing to you advertising from other companies. so all of this should just be no. this is just -- it's un-american for this kind of information to be gathered for commercial purposes without their first being a debate in our country that these eyes in the sky now perhaps the size of the palm of your hand floating over your house are able to gather information that could be used actually in a detrimental way that could harm your family. >> congressman ed markey, thank

you, sir. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> pretty crazy when you think about those drones because some of them are quite large but then some of them real, i wouldn't think that number of drones and how they manage that process. >> the cat is out of the bag. long recognized availability for -- they can't do thermal images. the prevalence i think is the real problem here is the prevalenpre prevalen prevalence. >> still ahead on "starting point," don't tell the kids but momentum is building to make the school day longer. dr. steve perry is going to join us and tell us why he supports that idea coming up next. a show called the younger version of "sex and the city," but do the hbo "girls" have a race problem? talk about that coming up. >> that's insane! so who ordered the cereal that can help lower cholesterol

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school's out ♪ ♪ >> not yet, it's not, thank god! i haven't figured out what i'm doing this summer. that is alice cooper, of course. most kids are done with school by 3:00 p.m. and that time is a rush home to work on the farm before dark back in the olden days as they say. today a push to get rid of that old and make school days in america a few hours longer. steve perry is the founder of capital prep magnet school and he joins us this morning. steve, always nice to see you. you know, i'm on the board of the after-school corporation so a big focus for us is talking about lengthening the school day. we have these conversations all the time. this is you've done already at your school. why did you decide to lengthen the school day? what did your school day look like? >> our school day goes from 8:15 to 4:00. for 180 days is the typical school year but at our school,

it's 201 school days. we are a year-round school because the research is clear when you open a school that is supposed to serve children and not the needs of adults what you do is you give children more academic support. >> in "the washington post" an op-ed by peter zor -- orszag who writes this. the results he says would be a better educated students and less stressed parents. that is from "the washington post." do you agree with that, steve? >> i do agree, if what they are given, the children, is, in fact, more and good instruction. simply giving someone more water doesn't necessarily take care of the issue. you need something that is more substantive and in the case of too many of our our schools it doesn't matter if you gave them six or ten hours of it, the

actual academic preparation they are getting is not up to par. that's a bigger issue. the quality of the instruction, not just the length of instruction. what we see in many schools is that most teachers teach approximately three hours and 45 minutes. to extend the school day you need to make fundamentalle changes and many of those changes will not occur within the traditional school system because this school system has been designed to meet the needs of adult at this point. >> steve, it's will here. you know, something i hear a lot of parents complain about is the amount of homework sent home with their kids. if you lengthen the school day do you think they would have to lessin' the amount of homework kids are september home with? >> absolutely not. in fact, in preparation -- it's not that they just complain about the homework. in many cases they are plain baggage what the homework is when it's busy work and they have every right to be upset a kid coming home and don't challenge their child in any way, shape, or form or improve on what they have learned during the day. we know that children have more

capacity to take on more information than we typically give them. and we tend to think that children themselves are often overworked and that is not the case. kids are really ready to go. we just need to give them hard work that they care about and engage in. >> if you looked at a country that has a school system that is considered to be the top of the charts, that would be finland, and actually finland has significantly fewer hours in school than, you know -- not only other countries but certainly the united states so doesn't that completely contradict your point? >> no, it doesn't. part of my point you can't just give them more. you have to give them better. it's not just either/or. you give them more days and more hours, or you give them quality instruction. it thoob quality instruction first and then you have to extend it. for sale from children from historically disadvantaged populations, black and latino and poor. those kids need more time with

skilled instructors and not less. we are having this conversation about two different populations. those children at home that have support and those who do not. those who do not benefit great deal from the benefits. we with klook on the war on poverty on the programs, student support services they are summer bridge programs into college. they are after-school programs while in high school. these are the programs that have taken an entire generation of people from historically disadvantaged populations and put them in the middle class and giving them more instruction. that's good. >> dr. steve perry, nice to see. put i fully support it. i need my kids in school until 5:00 p.m. i vote for that. i'm serious! >> and finland hasn't been cutting school funding for years. >> this hbo show is called "girls "and called "sex and the city" on a new generation. talk about that ahead. >> that's insane!

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"girls" lacks minorities. hbo is owned by the parent company of this network. let's get to sharon waxman from rape.com. you've seen the show. do you like it? i enjoy it. >> it's interesting. it's definitely something different. >> so give me the premise of it. >> it's definitely for women. these are women who are young women in their early 20s who are not gorgeous, not glamorous, don't have great jobs, and in the episode last night they spent half of it at an abortion cli clinic. it has the feeling of an indy movie instead of hbo. there is explicit sex and a lot of anxiety in the show all the way through about the sexual lives of these young women. >> which i guess is where those comparisons to "sex and the city" coming from. where some of the criticism comes from is the entire show

takes place in new york city and, yet, they really don't have much diversity, if any diversity on the show, right? >> there's a lot of different ways to short of parse the show. that's definitely one aspect that is a little bit strange for people who live in new york city which is this wildly diverse city. "sex and the city" had the same issue. it was very, very white. by the way, every time television does this you think what world are you living in? the show is forward looking and so ahead of the curve on so many things on sexual issues you just for example, as i said, last night, a whole plot line about this girl having an abortion. a girl has to go home and ask her parents for money. very sort of real life cutting edge issues, yet this one thing where it's very clear that everybody -- we live in a world where things are not black and white. things are multiracial and

multieverything, you know? that's the reality. you don't see that in the characters. it's kind of a little odd. >> this was written these girls on girls is like us. they are like me and you and beautiful and ballsly and the entire lives ahead of them and i wish i saw a little bit of moreself on screen alongside them. black girl is what she is writing about. a tweet back from i guess one of the writers named leslie, a staff writer on the show who said what bothered me about the most about precious there was no preparation of her. that was her response to the original tweet. >> sounds like a joke. >> do you think so? >> it is a joke. >> of course, she is being sarcastic. but i guess her point being -- i guess it seems like she's not necessarily taking the question of representation seriously to me because this is the same conversation, sharon, that we had about friends. remember when oprah asked when are you all going to get a black friend? >> yeah, exactly.

this is a pattern you see over and over in mainstream television programming. in defense of the show, you know, you can't say that people do tend to hang out with members of their own race. that is kind of a social pattern and you see that over and over on college campuses, among asian students and african-american students. but, at the same time, it does feel out of step, you know? nobody walks around in a world where everybody is white -- i watched the show last night with an eye, couldn't be every character would be of the same race and it actually was. that seemed a little -- that seemed funny to me. >> sharon, nice to see you. appreciate it. >> yeah. thanks. >> "end point" is up next with the panel. stay with us.

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